It seems so, according to you. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). The women testified last week. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. She definitely did it. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Whats worse is that shes innocent. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. False. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Hair we go. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. The state police dropped him as a suspect. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. No explanation given. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Sorry not sorry. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. How is it that these women are paroled? Disagree with And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Hoist by your own petard. Look into it. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Your comment could not be farther than the truth! Patricia Owens, This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a He was captured in August and is in state custody. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Your email address will not be published. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Guilty The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Patricia is a evil monster. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? "Yaser Said, you're a devil. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. And she will have to answer eventually. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Have a tip we should know? The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. Thank you and well said. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Great communicator. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Fugitive dad arrested for slaying teen daughters in honor killing Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. She had money put aside. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. He was happy. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. You took my family all in one night," she said. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. She also will never get to see them get married. 2023 FOX Television Stations, Rockwall-Heath coach resigns after school workout investigation, Things to do this weekend in Dallas-Fort Worth: March 3-5, Dallas 14, 15-year-olds charged with murder, Prosper man who shot neighbor's pit bull will not face charges, Watch: New video from Hubble space telescope captures asteroid-smashing debris from successful DART mission, New street drug 'tranq dope,' rots skin, turns humans into 'zombies', 3 children killed, 2 hurt in Italy, Texas, Biden has cancerous skin lesion removed from chest, doctor says, Severe weather video and photos from around North Texas, Suspected North Texas scented candle thieves allegedly stole $27,774 worth of items. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? They broke up in 1993. (A good point. Why? And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. No show. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Am I missing something? However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Claps! Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. 5 years prior to all this happening! "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. in journalism from the University of Southern California. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. I agree. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Nope. Not gender neutral. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. So, lets take your response one step at a time. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Shes being well taken care of.. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Her mother was married to my uncle. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Mr Steve J Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. I do. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. Or did they? Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last!