His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Again its too legalistic. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. We told to get married. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. You are correct! Some true, some not so much. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. You might WebGetting to it. They had made an idol out of church attendance. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I am also against body piercings as well. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. 54. The two are completely unrelated. 19. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support Wherever there are people, there is sin. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. I did learn a lot. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. No, because thats not Gods will. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. 18. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. 15. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. I had my part. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. God Bless. First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 13. IFB Singles If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Its never spoken but up there to read. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. 14. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. Independent Fundamentalist Baptists are a creepy, Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. Simply not true. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. 35. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Gods will was for me to forgive. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Independent Baptist - RationalWiki Independent Fundamental Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. ? hypocrite. What a stupid thing to say. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. Thanks for reading! Its the inspired word of God. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I can not forgive sins! But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. This is an assumption.. 8. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. 11. 1. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. I thought youd like that. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). Does the lord convict me when I miss? If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. Read Matthew 23 for more information. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. 19 How blind! 1 John 1:9 No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. Hey there. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. Its the inspired word of God. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. Jesus does that. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! What an extensive list. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Like I said, Im doing repair work. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. Hypocrites! We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. Amen! God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. 38. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. 5 Hypocrite! We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. People can ask for clarification if they want. I have read other versions of the Bible. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. I have no position or opinion of this Im still separate I have just decided to sin. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Its method of operation is subversive. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia All rights reserved. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. I know the answers now. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. No member shall N/A I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. 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WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Only the KJV will be used in this group; No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Independent I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. My pastor and his wife sent evil. 24 Blind guides! You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Did you read it? Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke.