hi dawn:) Lilith in 8 th house composite. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Our situation was kind of complicated. The fourth house is . Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad . They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. scares me a bit. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. You will both be changed deeply by it. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. Im always attracted to those types of relationships The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Greetings. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. He says what on thinking. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. Im from a country in southamerica. It doesn't have to be a breakup. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. . Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. We all find our gods where we can and must. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? 12th house issues are not always supportive. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. I need all the help to understand I can get. AT ALL. Regine. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. It feels that we are very free together than alone. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. I am NOT usually like this. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. What should i do? We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. venus+mars, etc. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. WhiteLotus. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. Learn how your comment data is processed. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Venus in 12th House Man. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. Thanks so much Dawn. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. We were happy plutonicay together. Lots of greetings from Serbia. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. This places can even indicate psychic ability. but the rising is scorpio. Do you think that is true? I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. The In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). Any advice would be helpful. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . I feel sad about that. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. Lilith in the 12th House is an unusual placement because it revolves around the dark side of your life and its unseen parts. Bright blessings to you. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it VERY-VERY SORRY! One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. thundered More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) Just a knowing if you will. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. Composite Venus in the 12th House. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Look at what sign the 12th house is in. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. Its pretty rare. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. Was our purpose to heal each other? What do You think about Davison Chart? This is brilliant and compassionate. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. The ego thing is very true. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! so we find the True in each other. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Thats for start. November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. great post- thank you! The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. Dawn, thank you for writing this article. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. hello, nice article Dawn. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. It shapes the relationship between two persons. Natal Birth Chart Meaning. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. Thank you very much. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. Lilith in Synastry. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). What is your thought on this. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? Who cares? Please your opinion. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. Lilith in : 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th Lilith - astrology meaning Black Moon - Fascination and Denial Lilith is a fictional point - the second empty focal point of . I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. Thank You so much for Your answer! My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. The Anti-Vertex, on the other hand, is located in the opposite house of the Vertex (the 11 th , 12 th , 1 st , 2 nd , or 3 rd houses), which relate to personal concerns . and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. It isnt bad, its difficult. what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? thank you for post! I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. what can we do here? Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. You can use this to your . The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. We have had such a difficult relationship. The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. Through the sixth house, you must learn to function in the world efficiently and take up the calling to serve Humanity. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) Beautiful article!! and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect.
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