This was about 14% of all the recorded Kelley's in USA. [], We took slaves too, St Patrick was a slave! Whether or not this was an actual invasion or rather a more gradual migration and assimilation of their culture by the native Irish is open to conjecture, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that this latter explanation is more likely. The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. If you notice, there is nothing said at all about color in the constitution concerning slaves. What utter pointless nonsense is this!? Especially admitting anyone enslaved them!!!!!! Murray Irish spelling: Muireadhaigh Meaning: Descendent of Muireadhaigh, a seaman. The strong over the weak. Many of our foremothers were raped by the ships captains and the dozens if not hundreds of white crew members. I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. This whole conversion of who had it worse is nonsensical. Maine had the highest population of Blake families in 1840. And they did this systemically and repeatedly. Condem slavery not the people trying to highlight history. The likelihood, if you are Irish, or of African descent to be involved with any of this is smaller than you think. Famous Flynns include actors Errol Flynn and Brandon Flynn. Today there are lots of Irish people reverting to their original names and not the English versions. American journalist, author, and former television host Bill OReilly is one of the most famous people with the surname OReilly. Wealthy irish were Protestants who were placed there by England to control and rule the Native population. The point that you all seem to be continually missing is that AT THE TIME Irish people werent considered to be white. They are lowland Scots (not highlanders, more English in their culture. The mortality rate of enslaved Africans during the slave trade was so high that white planters had to replace entire popoulations of 30,000 plus people every 5-7 years. With an understanding of the Norman invaders and their integration into Irish society, we can deduce that this is, in fact, where the term Black Irish spawned from. The traditional image of Vikings is of pale-skinned blond-haired invaders but their description as "dark foreigners" may lead us to conclude that their memory in folklore does not necessarily reflect their physical description. In the cases of non-English origin, the surname is likely to be an Anglicisation. Its really amazing to see once you notice it. 8 years now however somethings were very apolling, sad, disgusted me.shamed me. Amazing people. Just like her arguing the distinction between different slave treatments. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. It seems more likely that "Black Irish" is a descriptive term rather than an inherited characteristic that has been applied to various categories of Irish people over the centuries. Were Irish babies sold to another people as black babies were sold to white slave owners? That Slavery is colour blind but profit centred. We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. I was crying, but I wouldnt changed the colors of how I seen Jesus. All of those point to it being English, British, Anglo-Saxon in origin not Irish or Gaelic or Irish-Gaelic for that matter. Located off the western shores of Great Britain, the small island nation packs quite a punch when it comes to its heritage. It is unlikely that the exact origin of the term will ever be known and it is also likely that it has had a number of different iterations, depending on the historical context. In Gaelic, the Irish native language, the word for black (or dark) is 'dubh', and foreigner is 'gall'. There is a prevailing debate amongst the commentators that leaves me with strong feelings of indignation. Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? Sure there is a difference, but servant is a perhaps a misnomer. 2) Even if it were 100,000 of them (which it wasnt) , it is already documented that many of them were indentured servants-not slaves and theres a huge difference! People dont make it to age 40 there. She has travelled Europe, Africa, America, Asia and Australia and still claims that wanderlust tempts her daily. Wilson 27. If this is the case, contrary to what may often be thought (that the term refers to an Irish person with dark skin, hair, and complexion), the label is actually a reference to said invaders intentions, all those centuries ago. Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). Something to keep in mind as you read. I dont care what race you are, if you want to commit crime be ready to do the time and stop crying that you got caught and the other criminals got away. This explains why many of my DNA ancestors carry Mitochondrial European DNA and such high percentages. Its a human one! A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. I will never make any claim of who was better off or who had it worse. Famous Brennans include conedian Neal Brennan and actor Walter Brennan. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. and yes we did get it hard from the british in our own homeland of ireland occuppied for years 800 years of rape murder and torture. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. As English rule in Ireland intensified at this time, it became increasingly difficult to find work if you had an Irish sounding name. Some say they came from the Spanish Armada. Not from being bread with Irish. This slave trade, and the bigotry in the past and now, is very complicated issues; dont oversimplify them by making it an issue of Black vs White. English landowners would literally pay pirates to come and raid entire villages on the Irish land they owned, to get rid of the renters so the landowner could do as he wished with the land. that because they werent born into chattel their plight isnt worth acknowledgement. It's a playful invitation to receive a kiss from someone who identifies as Irish or who is . There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. You did not do it, I did not do it, you did not go through it, and I did not go through it, you are shaped more by the world around you now, and I am shaped more by the world around me now. Famous examples include actresses Demi Moore, Julianne Moore, andMandyMoore. I have to go back and check to see if the word slave is even in it. Last name: Duffy. The Anglo-Saxon offspring he openly acknowledged. They either came to America as slaves, or moved to America in more modern times. Black people with names with Mc in them likely acquired them in one of four ways: they could be descendants of slaves who were owned by an Irish or Scottish slaveowner. Likewise, what makes all Blacks the same? 1) A good number of slave masters were Scotch-Irish. Here are the top 100 Irish surnames you're bound to experience at least once in your life! Notable Cunninghams include American professional basketball player Dante Cunningham and football quarterback Randall Cunningham. It is also possible that within the various Irish cultures that became established in America that there was a pecking order, a class system that saw some of their countrymen labeled as "black.". Im curious please describe the discrimination that you face everyday personally? Irish indentured servants were not emancipated. Well, human enough to retain their own name. Who were the black Irish? Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? This is a human issue, not a race one. Though we dont want that ugly past to be forgotten, rewritten or soften to make Whites feel better about them-selves, the issues we worry about are those we have to deal with currently. if you go to a protestant area in belfast they are putting polish and africans out of the area. Is what happend to the Irish also a fulfillment of prophecy? Another name, OGallchobhair, which is the Irish version of the popular name Gallagher, means foreign help. Barbados has an enclave on the island, the descendants of Irish slaves who never integrated with others, they speak with a slight Irish accent but as a race they suffer from alcoholism and diabetes and inbreeding. To answer the question that is proposed in the headline, it was primarily due to Irish slave masters and testing the Y chromosome provides evidence of this. Read Deuteronomy Chapter 28 and visit http://www.israelunite.org to learn more. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. If you cant even get that right!!!! Id gladly accept a Cajun than a damn IRISH redneck!!!!!!! However, this isnt auditing who had it better and who had it worse!!! I cannot speak for what may have happened in America and it is true that we Irish dont suffer from racism in this day and age. Australian model and actor Julian MacMahon is one of the most famous MacMahons. Nile of the nine hostages was a bit of a devil. They live as second class citizens and are called red-legs and red-necks etc by the rest of the population due to their fair skins getting burned by the sun. However, Black slaves were oppressed intellectually, religiously and physically if they attempted to escape or did anything wrong. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. Do you have any references from which I can further research this? They have suffered nothing but a lack of potatoes and cabbages. The Gaelic word for foreigner is "gall" and for black (or dark) is "dubh.". Think about this; slavery is a serious business and slaves are property like cattle, horses, sheep etc. Musician and YouTube personality Charlie McDonnell is one of the most well-known McDonnells. Famous OSullivans include actress Maureen OSullivan, actor Richard OSullivan, and singer Gilbert OSullivan. As most of the slave owners were of Anglo-Celtic descent, these are the names that the African-Americans were saddled with. Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. Im reading these blogs and Im thinking to my self, what does this article have to do with irish slaves? I would love to know more, this has opened a window in my life. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. The most famous being Sir Walter Scott, the Scottish patriot, writer, and poet. The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. A second article. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. Indeed this criminalisation of the poor continues into the 21st century. A slave was property and could be killed if the owner chose to do so. Sign up to IrishCentral's newsletter to stay up-to-date with everything Irish! Oh my, I never heard about this. The origin of Irish sounding names in America comes from four places. I have noticed since I was very young that a full one-third or more (approximately) of mixed race couples I see there will be a black male and a red headed white female. Well, invasion, land stealing and slaughter have a good 800 year history in Ireland. The largest number of Irish descendants reside in the United States, while in Australia, those sharing in Irish ancestry account for a higher percentage of the population than in any other country, except Ireland. You would be amazed at what all of history has been created. THATS why many Irish treated blacks in America and its also why many blacks treated Irish badly. Johnson took him to court and the judge ruled that Anthony Johnson did not have to release this man. It generally refers to racial, ethnic or cultural roots. My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La. Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? The Blake family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. Another clue are terms "Black Dutch" and "Black Irish." These were used by families to hide their ethnicity. naturally, that population mixed in with the newly arrive slave blacks as well as the indigenous blacks. You all talking rubbish, Under 800 years of English rule millions of irish died at the hand of the British. I watch an old Irish movie years ago and when the old lady washing her clothes in a pan was cursing someone saying what the rass cloth,. It is claimed that the Spanish married into Irish society and created a new class of Irish who were immediately recognizable by their dark hair and complexion. My mother in law was called Shanks. 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It is striking, though, how this tale is very similar to the ancient Irish legend of the Milesians who settled in Ireland having traveled from Spain. If it were slavery, as the Africans suffered, it would have been called slavery. Scot-Irish synonymous with Ulster Scots of partitioned Ireland not natives of Ireland in the recent sense of this discussion. If they committed a crime that warranted jail time, they deserved the sentence. Famous people with the surname Lynch are actresses Jane Lynch and Evanna Lynch, as well as actor Ross Lynch. 3) their children and grandchildren were not automatically enslaved or indentured from birth and were free, 4) they were not forced to forget their history, culture religion during their agreement to be indentured. In contrast, however, at this same period in history, predominately, the Portuguese and Spanish were colonizing and enslaving the indigenous population of the South America continent. the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing. Aztecs and Mayans were no exception. The most famous OFarrell is actress Bernadette OFarrell. Since enslaved blacks did not have last names at the time the Civil War ended, many were catalogued on freedmens lists and forced to adopt last names. Presbyterian freeholders? 2. For example, Barack Obama has Irish ancestors on his white mothers side. One such example is that of the hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants who emigrated to America after the Great Famine of 1845 to 1849. If These men are in jail serving time for committing a crime, I have no sympathy for them or anyone else serving time. African tribes were happy to take slaves during wars, and more than happy to sell them on to arab and european traders. January 1861, seven Southern slave states individually declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate. Why do we continue to ignore the pain of others? 3. Famous ORourkes are child actresses and sisters Tammy and Heather ORourke. This was about 14% of all the recorded Blake's in USA. Even then these were primarily yes men and traitors, easily disposed of and replaced. The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. The name Doyle is in Irish "O'Dubhghaill" which literally means "dark foreigner" which reveals their heritage as an invading force with dark intentions. The Irish language was systematically eliminated in Ireland until the resurgence in the 1920s. My family history is very interesting..anyway they cant sweep all this under the rug anymore thanks to documents of proof which are online for the world to see now!! I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. The numbers and the periods have also been exaggerated to make the act look gross and longer. My name is John Orr and im dark ass hell any Orrs on here. There were thousands of indentured white servants in England during the same time. Im English Scandinavian Western Europe Eastern Europe, European Jew Irish my oldest ancestry comes from Africa I along with all of you are the human race we are imperfect people frail to a fault trying to make life better for each other. Did you assume the Irish always spoke English? The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. I love it !! Note: It was pointed out to me that there is a difference between indentured servitude and slavery. However, most Blacks in the USA dont have to deal with slavery. Here is the thing though, when they hooked up with Africans to rebel, Bacons Rebellion, they struck a deal with the English colonists to become the slave patrols and plantation overseas. One of the most famous people with the surname MacDonald is singer-songwriter Amy MacDonald. Black slaves were the alternatives because they could bear these conditions, and also knew farming techniques which they carried with them to the New World. What is the most popular last name in Ireland? The native Irish spoke Gaelic. Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. The way you glossed over this with comments like The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men, as if the African men (and women and children) werent also being raped, and bred with each other and Irish people and slave owners. Thanks for sharing. The South seceded from the Union because they wanted to keep their slaves that provided them with human field animals, human sex toys and the freedom to do anything they wanted with their human property. They are the dregs of the white race. I thought it was funny when he came out with this B.S. He said a freed man works for no man. Basketball player Blake Griffin and comedian Kathy Griffin are two of the most well-known people with the surname Griffin. An indentured servant is not a slave. One generation after another. Although they did suffer as the Africans, they were also afforded certain privileges not afforded to African slaves. From there I started seeing more videos and posts speaking on Irish slavery. Its a shame that people can create whole new histories. The Irish language was nearly extinct and was only spoken in very remote parts of the country for a long period of time. Please do not confuse the two. These new mulatto slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Anglicized form of the Irish name Donndubhin meaning "descendant of Donndubn ". The notion that plantation owners fathered most mixed children is also false. I always thought that the Jamaican dialect sounded like a version of an Irish dialect. Updated in 2022. An indentured servant has the chance to earn their freedom, a slave does not. Also Indians are not Asians either. I do so only under protest. Its like saying, Im personally offended by you not because of your genetics but because of your race!. This, by the way, is why Malcolm Little became "Malcolm X". The fact that you refer to them as settlers is disturbing. http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/who-were-the-black-irish-92376439-237784721.html. Really good point. Some aspects of racism are religious others are cultural but in most cases have nothing to do with something as simple as skin color and are definitely not limited to Blacks. Reblogged this on Eccentric and Bent and commented: the Germans claimed that no Jews were being murdered but they were lying too. Thats what the bulk of my Irish ancestors really were: Scottish, English, Cornish, etc. Also, this foolish comparison fails to acknowledge the differences between indentured servitude and real slavery. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. ODwyer is a popular Irish name in Australia with cricketer Edmund Thomas ODwyer and National Rugby League player Luke ODwyer both having the name. So incredibly well said and so true. Northern Irish football player Alex Higgins is one of the most well-known people with this surname. One man and two kids made it. Im getting pretty sick of people (of all races) whitewashing the oppression of the Irish from history because it doesnt fit with the white skin = oppressors, everyone else = victims narrative. How did they enter said contract in the first place? There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term Black Irish, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. So they forgot where there came from, slavery and became slavers or helped them. I am a Jamaican and I do know, based on teaching, that whites were experimented as slaves for a short period; however they failed to be productive in the climate and harsh conditions. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". I think slavery regardless of color is disgusting and shameful, but even more is to come out of slavery and help the oppressor with the same oppression that was previously placed upon you. There were school busses, city busses in which I stood my ground my grandmother let me be she was not of color ,but she wasnt white nor racist.. But during the times of slavery in America the Irish people (in Ireland) were subjected to the penal laws, which I suspect were similar the the Jim Crow laws. Again , please dont source liam hogan lol haha, he is a librarian.not a historian!!!!! We need to revisit the discussion from a fresh perspective. The assembly was led by Strongbow, a Norman lord from Wales. It was common in the 1600s for the Irish prefixes O and Mac to be dropped from Irish names. However it is thought to refer to invaders throughout Irish history. No. We respect your privacy and take protecting it seriously, How to plan a trip to Ireland (in 9 steps), Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce. I would claim nothing from their bloodline!!!!! that is not true they are mixed rihannna the singer her father is of irish desent . Communicating with an African would have been a completely different matter, and names would have been unpronounceable and incomprehensible to any white slave owner. But we still must take into consideration that the Irish were hated for being Catholics, and that this was the main reason behind making them into slaves. Yet, as a subject of historical discussion, it is almost never referred to in Ireland. One of them reached his 7 year mark, and went to work on another mans farm. Most planters were multimilionaires by todays standards so purchasing thousands of enslaved blacks every 5 years to replaced the thousands who died from starvation, dehydration, disease, exposure, infection, brutality, suicide and mutilation was a minor expense. http://www.irishcentral.com/news/first-lady-michelle-obamas-irish-slave-owner-roots-are-revealed-159341955-237511041.html Such a great read! There are good apples and bad apples in every group of people, and people tend to do things based on more local things than racial ideology. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. We highlight the most inspiring experiences Ireland has to offer. Again get creditable sources!!!!!!!! To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. At what point did marrying an Irish person stop being illegal and considered bestiality? Thus, Black people dont have anything of value for the most part. Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. I have been unsuccessful with finding all the data you have, will you please site the sources from your research? Also, many black women were impregnated on the slave ships and were pregnant by the time they reached the Americas. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about Irish surnames. 5. Should we question if being enslaved was not as horrific for those who were lighter skinned because the may not have has as harsh living conditions? How did Blacks end up with Irish names? 1847 was known as "black 47." @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. But there are many others who have suffered under slavery, the Irish as you mentioned here, also the Scottish, Jews (black, German, French..). The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. http://www.irishsurnames.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?name=dudley&capname=Dudley&letter=d. This is sometimes used to by Irish to distance themselves from the slaveholdinhs in America. The Normans were dark in complexion, often with dark hair and eyes. Everyone google irish slavery is a myth and tell me who its written by or sourced byyou got it it Liam Hogan.yes he is one of the millions of English trying to deny our history!!!!!!! many were actually dark skinned black irish. 5,377 families had this name and they were mainly based in County Cork, Kerry, and neighbouring counties. So for me. Heres a case for you to review (take your time): Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves: Law Case, Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves. I will admit, some of this is said by a very very very small percentage of the real irish population worldwide, they see it as being weak !!!! Famous OConnors include singer Sinad OConnor, novelist Flannery OConnor, and retired United States Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Sandra Day OConnor. Moore is another of the most popular Irish names. Africans were *things*. They were opposed by the native Irish (as they still are today), and as compensation given land and status in the New World. It was not until Darwin that the belief that physical traits identified race. In fact, some African tribal leaders were profited from the slave trade by allowing and assisting slave traders in raiding their enemies land. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. Natives did not participate in the slave trade. The West, wrongly puts Africa, which is a continent not a country, as all the same people. 8. The term 'Black Irish' gets thrown around from time to time. William Downing and Philip Welch. I never heard of this before, yes, of course, Ive heard of the indentured servant history, but not the actual brutal enslavement of the Irish people. It was not until the late 18th century that physical traits alone was being shopped around as an identifier of race, and much later till that idea would even flirt with the consciousness of the mainstream. She RIP up my pictures and took me by the gaur to the principal office where he took his turn and thats just one example. This is not a racial issue; it is humanitarian issue! Im not looking to be inflammatory. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%e2%80%98irish-slaves%e2%80%99-convenient-myth, Some good explanations of the term Black Irish: (skip gates, wanda sykes, all have traced their roots to irish women who paired up with african men.). Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S.